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		<title>By: javier123</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-23588</link>
		<dc:creator>javier123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>helo, i moved too england a few weeks back from spain sevilla!!
ramos is a gret man and i wish him luk at tottenham
what does yid actualy mean and y do u call tottenham yids?
many thank yous x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>helo, i moved too england a few weeks back from spain sevilla!!<br />
ramos is a gret man and i wish him luk at tottenham<br />
what does yid actualy mean and y do u call tottenham yids?<br />
many thank yous x</p>
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		<title>By: Yid of the Norf</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-19407</link>
		<dc:creator>Yid of the Norf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Bagel &#38; oog

I'll keep the smoke screen up in front of Mini Yid &#38; remain on covert operations until the switch is made

COYS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Bagel &amp; oog</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep the smoke screen up in front of Mini Yid &amp; remain on covert operations until the switch is made</p>
<p>COYS!</p>
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		<title>By: The Bagel</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-19394</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bagel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Work's got me until 8.30 tonight but I reckon I can make it over to Oog's for the second half. We'll get it sorted then.

The Bagel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Work&#8217;s got me until 8.30 tonight but I reckon I can make it over to Oog&#8217;s for the second half. We&#8217;ll get it sorted then.</p>
<p>The Bagel.</p>
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		<title>By: Yid of the Norf</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-19393</link>
		<dc:creator>Yid of the Norf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bagel

We'll have to wait for Man City away, the Villa kick off time change to 5:30pm has ballsed things up for me, so Mini Yid &#38; I won't be there in person but in spirit &#38; down the pub watching it with Yid Next Door

Mini Yid is on to me, now that he's seen an entry from oog about the flag!  He's not sussed it yet, but he's asking a lot of questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bagel</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to wait for Man City away, the Villa kick off time change to 5:30pm has ballsed things up for me, so Mini Yid &amp; I won&#8217;t be there in person but in spirit &amp; down the pub watching it with Yid Next Door</p>
<p>Mini Yid is on to me, now that he&#8217;s seen an entry from oog about the flag!  He&#8217;s not sussed it yet, but he&#8217;s asking a lot of questions!</p>
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		<title>By: The Bagel</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-19367</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bagel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for my absence.

As far as the deabte is concerned, I agree that it's all contextual. If someone calls me a yid and is pertaining to my Jewishness then I take offence. If they mean it in reference to Spurs, I'm all smiles. As far as I know all the other fans at the Lane aren't aware of my cultural heritage, so as yet I haven't tried to punch my way around the stadium.

Secondly, and unfortunately, I can't make the meeting on Tuesday night but I will be sending our thoughts to Leon Mann over at Kick It Out and get our views across.

Thirdly, I certianly hadn't forgotten about meeting up with you YotN. I was thinking of Man City away but what the hell, let's make it Villa.

The Bagel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for my absence.</p>
<p>As far as the deabte is concerned, I agree that it&#8217;s all contextual. If someone calls me a yid and is pertaining to my Jewishness then I take offence. If they mean it in reference to Spurs, I&#8217;m all smiles. As far as I know all the other fans at the Lane aren&#8217;t aware of my cultural heritage, so as yet I haven&#8217;t tried to punch my way around the stadium.</p>
<p>Secondly, and unfortunately, I can&#8217;t make the meeting on Tuesday night but I will be sending our thoughts to Leon Mann over at Kick It Out and get our views across.</p>
<p>Thirdly, I certianly hadn&#8217;t forgotten about meeting up with you YotN. I was thinking of Man City away but what the hell, let&#8217;s make it Villa.</p>
<p>The Bagel.</p>
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		<title>By: Yid of the Norf</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-19186</link>
		<dc:creator>Yid of the Norf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody laptop!  I hadn't quite finished!

oog, looking forward to seeing Mini Yid's face when he gets the flag!  ?Thanks again, let me know what I owe you mate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody laptop!  I hadn&#8217;t quite finished!</p>
<p>oog, looking forward to seeing Mini Yid&#8217;s face when he gets the flag!  ?Thanks again, let me know what I owe you mate</p>
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		<title>By: Yid of the Norf</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-19185</link>
		<dc:creator>Yid of the Norf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oog

I look forward to hopefully meeting you &#38; Bagel at the villa game

My Dad, God rest him (long since departed us, but a Yiddo through &#38; through, that make Mini Yid a third generation Yiddo) was half Jewish, unlike your Patre he wasn't bothered about the term yid, it does not bother me &#38; I'm proud to my jewish link

The N word is used by some black people to other black people, perhaps used in a similar way to us using yid, however I've never used the N word towards the black mates &#38; work colleagues I have, as it would purely sound offensive

This debate has certainly sparked a lot of interest just on this blog!  The Jewish community should have the last say, rather than the pc brigade of the nany state telling everyone what's good for them.  I hope the Jewish community see that our use of the term yid is never intended as derogatory, but as a sense of unity

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oog</p>
<p>I look forward to hopefully meeting you &amp; Bagel at the villa game</p>
<p>My Dad, God rest him (long since departed us, but a Yiddo through &amp; through, that make Mini Yid a third generation Yiddo) was half Jewish, unlike your Patre he wasn&#8217;t bothered about the term yid, it does not bother me &amp; I&#8217;m proud to my jewish link</p>
<p>The N word is used by some black people to other black people, perhaps used in a similar way to us using yid, however I&#8217;ve never used the N word towards the black mates &amp; work colleagues I have, as it would purely sound offensive</p>
<p>This debate has certainly sparked a lot of interest just on this blog!  The Jewish community should have the last say, rather than the pc brigade of the nany state telling everyone what&#8217;s good for them.  I hope the Jewish community see that our use of the term yid is never intended as derogatory, but as a sense of unity</p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: oog</title>
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		<dc:creator>oog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he's gone to tap up Klinsmann, then he'll have to explain away the rumours of the "far east business interests" that Joe Lewis is said to have agreed to sell out to at the end of the season.

Although all the reports I have seen say this is "reported in the Daily Express". From their website all I can see is that it cites the same rumour which it puts down to "rumours on Thursday morning" or something. Sounds like a rumour to me...

Found anything more substantial, Bagel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he&#8217;s gone to tap up Klinsmann, then he&#8217;ll have to explain away the rumours of the &#8220;far east business interests&#8221; that Joe Lewis is said to have agreed to sell out to at the end of the season.</p>
<p>Although all the reports I have seen say this is &#8220;reported in the Daily Express&#8221;. From their website all I can see is that it cites the same rumour which it puts down to &#8220;rumours on Thursday morning&#8221; or something. Sounds like a rumour to me&#8230;</p>
<p>Found anything more substantial, Bagel?</p>
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		<title>By: Hornchurch Yids</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/10/the-great-debate/#comment-19175</link>
		<dc:creator>Hornchurch Yids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice that the Spurs announcement on Kemsley says that he is leaving to persue his business interests in the U.S. Does this mean he is off to tap up Klinsmann in California? And if he gets caught, well, not being at Spurs anymore Levy can say it was nothing to do with me guv.

Bagel, how did the meeting go? 

Oog, when my dad first started taking me and my brothers (we were all under 10) he tried to explain that the Spurs fans were shouting "You lost, You lost" when really it was Yiddos Yiddos. I can't blame him for avoiding the real answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that the Spurs announcement on Kemsley says that he is leaving to persue his business interests in the U.S. Does this mean he is off to tap up Klinsmann in California? And if he gets caught, well, not being at Spurs anymore Levy can say it was nothing to do with me guv.</p>
<p>Bagel, how did the meeting go? </p>
<p>Oog, when my dad first started taking me and my brothers (we were all under 10) he tried to explain that the Spurs fans were shouting &#8220;You lost, You lost&#8221; when really it was Yiddos Yiddos. I can&#8217;t blame him for avoiding the real answer.</p>
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		<title>By: oog</title>
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		<dc:creator>oog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bagel needs to sign the flag, then I will post it off. Which means I need to meet up with Bagel...! Bagel - fancy heading to chez oog for the newcastle game? A small child in Lancashire depends upon you...

I'd be up for Villa away. I'm definitely going to brum away.

As for "yid", my dad's jewish, and doesn't like it. But then again... if its not meant in a derogatory way, where's the harm? I think people get too hung up about this kind of thing. 

Quite often in response to that kind of point, you get the point that "if it was the N word instead, people wouldn't think it was acceptable".

To which I guess my response is that we live in a world where using the N word at a British football game would be a highly charged, clearly racially motivated thing. The fact that shouting "yid" promotes only a polite debate at what I randomly happen to know is the headquarters of the society of socialist lawyers (there are so many of those...) suggests that it is acceptable because it is largely accepted, and that most people realise it isn't motivated by prejudice or hate...

Therefore...

YID ARMY!! sorry dad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bagel needs to sign the flag, then I will post it off. Which means I need to meet up with Bagel&#8230;! Bagel - fancy heading to chez oog for the newcastle game? A small child in Lancashire depends upon you&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be up for Villa away. I&#8217;m definitely going to brum away.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;yid&#8221;, my dad&#8217;s jewish, and doesn&#8217;t like it. But then again&#8230; if its not meant in a derogatory way, where&#8217;s the harm? I think people get too hung up about this kind of thing. </p>
<p>Quite often in response to that kind of point, you get the point that &#8220;if it was the N word instead, people wouldn&#8217;t think it was acceptable&#8221;.</p>
<p>To which I guess my response is that we live in a world where using the N word at a British football game would be a highly charged, clearly racially motivated thing. The fact that shouting &#8220;yid&#8221; promotes only a polite debate at what I randomly happen to know is the headquarters of the society of socialist lawyers (there are so many of those&#8230;) suggests that it is acceptable because it is largely accepted, and that most people realise it isn&#8217;t motivated by prejudice or hate&#8230;</p>
<p>Therefore&#8230;</p>
<p>YID ARMY!! sorry dad.</p>
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